[[Messianic Noahites]] regard Rebbe Yehosuah Minzaret as an early Messiah Ben Joseph figure and as a personal Messiah rather than as the End-Times Messiah ben David yet because the End-Times Messiah has not yet been exposed for everyone to see but the hope is real. They believe that he was the Angel M*t*tr*n (on one of his uncountable visits to our world, Assiyah, in the form of human flesh and blood) who was sent down to be lashed for the sin of Acher and appeared as the proto Messiah Ben Joseph to be anyone's personal Messiah. Noahites are permitted to believe that M*t*tr*n will come again as the end times Messiah ben David since this belief was also held by Rav Akiva. The nature of the relationship of the Angel M*t*tr*n to the godhead is best expressed by Rabbeinu Bahya. It is a question for Jewish Kabbalists to study and is not something that Noahites need to worry about. While promoting this view, the mistaken belief of Acher that M*t*tr*n can be taken as a god *besides* G-d or any belief that M*t*tr*n has any offspring are both rejected as unacceptable in Judaism.
There are three two options when it comes to considering Rebbe Yehoshuah Minzaret's nature::'''Either 1'''. :'''Or 2'''. He was simply nothing but a Jewish human who can be regarded as a son of G-d in the same sense that every Ezrah (אזרח) is a son of G-d. However, it should be mentioned, that view is rejected by Idumean Red Jews. They also reject the view that any Messiah but only a Messiah can be regarded as a son of G-d. :'''Or 32'''. The Chabadniks's view that the will of God can begin to dwell in human flesh through sincerely and consistently doing one's utmost to be shomeir Torah while making clear that such a blessing doesn't deify a person is also a valid Jewish position. That blessing was considered to have been attained by Rebbe Yehoshua's Mother [[Miriam bat Hanna]] according to the Idumeans.
However, the view that G-d adopted a human to be his own flesh as claimed by certain Chabadniks is possible was rejected by Idumeans because it poses a problem concerning what happened to the human will. Moreover, it is just as unacceptable today as it was then to say, G-d forbid, that G-d becomes the Messiah. The Arabs were convinced of the fact that he was only a prophet unto the Gentiles by using Galatians 5:2 as did Jacob Emden.