Petter Chamor - Revision history

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פטר חמור at 20:18, 26 November 2025

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פטר חמור at 16:15, 25 February 2025

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פטר חמור at 08:38, 26 December 2024

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פטר חמור at 08:22, 26 December 2024

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פטר חמור at 08:25, 14 October 2024

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פטר חמור at 13:01, 22 March 2023

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פטר חמור at 12:59, 22 March 2023

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 =Compare with=
 :[[שמעון הקלפוס]]
 :[[שמעון בן כפה]]
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 :"ויש שאומרים על אותו נבל שמעון '''פטר חמור''' שהיא טעות של רומה יסדו אותה תפילה [נשמת]. ושאר תפילות כשהיה על הסלע. וחס ושלום שלא תהיה זאת בישראל. וכל האומר דבר זה, כשיבנה בית המקדש יביא חטאת שמנה".
-"And some say about the same, Nabal Simon (Magus) is Peter Hamor who established that prayer [Neshmat] and other prayers when he was on the rock is Nabal -which is a mistake of Rome-. But Chas Veshalom that such will not be (said) in Israel. And whoever says this, when the Temple is built, he will bring a fat offering."
+"And some say about the same, Nabal Simon (Magus) is Peter Hamor who established that prayer [Neshmat] and other prayers when he was on the rock -which is a mistake of Rome-. But Chas Veshalom that such will not be (said) in Israel. And whoever says this, when the Temple is built, he will bring a fat offering."
 "[[Petter Chamor]]" is actually an office which has been held by several people called Simon since '''Simon Kefa'''. It is therefore sometimes difficult to identify when the term Petter Chamor refers to '''Simon Peter''' or to [[Simon Cippah]] or [[Simon Kalpus]] or [[Shimon Ben Kipa]].

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 רבינו שמחה, תלמידו של רש"י, מביא את דבריו בחיבורו – "מחזור ויטרי"(מחזור ויטרי, שם, עמ' 282, והערה ה.), ובלשונו:
-:"ויש שאומרים על אותו נבל '''שמעון פטר חמור''' שהיא טעות של רומה יסדו אותה תפילה [נשמת]. ושאר תפילות כשהיה על הסלע. וחס ושלום שלא תהיה זאת בישראל. וכל האומר דבר זה, כשיבנה בית המקדש יביא חטאת שמנה".
+:"ויש שאומרים על אותו נבל שמעון '''פטר חמור''' שהיא טעות של רומה יסדו אותה תפילה [נשמת]. ושאר תפילות כשהיה על הסלע. וחס ושלום שלא תהיה זאת בישראל. וכל האומר דבר זה, כשיבנה בית המקדש יביא חטאת שמנה".
-"And some say about that [Prayer], Simon Peter Hamor who established that prayer [Neshmat] and other prayers when he was on the rock is Nabal -which is a mistake of Rome-. But Chas Veshalom that such will not be (said) in Israel. And whoever says this, when the Temple is built, he will bring a fat offering."
+"And some say about the same, Nabal Simon (Magus) is Peter Hamor who established that prayer [Neshmat] and other prayers when he was on the rock is Nabal -which is a mistake of Rome-. But Chas Veshalom that such will not be (said) in Israel. And whoever says this, when the Temple is built, he will bring a fat offering."
 "[[Petter Chamor]]" is actually an office which has been held by several people called Simon since '''Simon Kefa'''. It is therefore sometimes difficult to identify when the term Petter Chamor refers to '''Simon Peter''' or to [[Simon Cippah]] or [[Simon Kalpus]] or [[Shimon Ben Kipa]].

← Older revision		Revision as of 20:18, 26 November 2025
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−	'''Simon Ceiphas''' or '''Simon Petter Chamor''' (d.65CE), often confused with [[St Jude]], [[Simon Kalpus]] or [[Simon Cippah]]~~, was~~ one of the Jews just like John & Paul "who purposely infected their culture in order to sway the Notzri faith away from Qehal Judaism into [[Messianic Noahide Judaism]]. They themselves were not heretics and did so for the benefit of the Jewish people".<ref>Rashi Avoda Zara 10a but brought in Dikdukei Sofrim Avoda Zara p. 12 footnote 9</ref>	+	'''Simon Ceiphas''' or '''Simon Petter Chamor''' (d.65CE), often confused with [[St Jude]], or [[Simon Kalpus]] was [[Simon Cippah]] one of the Jews just like John & Paul "who purposely infected their culture in order to sway the Notzri faith away from Qehal Judaism into [[Messianic Noahide Judaism]]. They themselves were not heretics and did so for the benefit of the Jewish people".<ref>Rashi Avoda Zara 10a but brought in Dikdukei Sofrim Avoda Zara p. 12 footnote 9</ref>

	Rabbi Shimon Halevi Ish Horowitz in his comments on the [[Machzor Vitry]] (ויטרי לרבינו שמחה, יוצא לאור ע"י ר' שמעון הלוי איש הורוויץ, סי' שכ"ה, הערה ה, עמ'362, הוצאת "א" מכון להוצאת ספרים, ירושלים, תשכ"ז.) wrote that Rabbeinu Tam said Simon Ceiphas never believed in Notzrut but did everything he did (against Ben Stada) for Heaven's sake.		Rabbi Shimon Halevi Ish Horowitz in his comments on the [[Machzor Vitry]] (ויטרי לרבינו שמחה, יוצא לאור ע"י ר' שמעון הלוי איש הורוויץ, סי' שכ"ה, הערה ה, עמ'362, הוצאת "א" מכון להוצאת ספרים, ירושלים, תשכ"ז.) wrote that Rabbeinu Tam said Simon Ceiphas never believed in Notzrut but did everything he did (against Ben Stada) for Heaven's sake.

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 :"ויש שאומרים על אותו נבל '''שמעון פטר חמור''' שהיא טעות של רומה יסדו אותה תפילה [נשמת]. ושאר תפילות כשהיה על הסלע. וחס ושלום שלא תהיה זאת בישראל. וכל האומר דבר זה, כשיבנה בית המקדש יביא חטאת שמנה".
-"And some say about that [Prayer], Simon Peter Hamor who established that prayer [Neshmat] and other prayers when he was on the rock of is Nabal -which is a mistake of Rome-. But Chas Veshalom that such will not be (said) in Israel. And whoever says this, when the Temple is built, he will bring a fat offering."
+"And some say about that [Prayer], Simon Peter Hamor who established that prayer [Neshmat] and other prayers when he was on the rock is Nabal -which is a mistake of Rome-. But Chas Veshalom that such will not be (said) in Israel. And whoever says this, when the Temple is built, he will bring a fat offering."
 "[[Petter Chamor]]" is actually an office which has been held by several people called Simon since '''Simon Kefa'''. It is therefore sometimes difficult to identify when the term Petter Chamor refers to '''Simon Peter''' or to [[Simon Cippah]] or [[Simon Kalpus]] or [[Shimon Ben Kipa]].

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−	'''Simon Ceiphas''' or '''Simon Petter Chamor''' (d.65CE), often confused with [[St Jude]], [[Simon Kalpus]] or [[Simon Cippah]], was one of the Jews just like John & Paul "who purposely infected their culture in order to sway the Notzri faith away from Judaism into [[Messianic ~~Noahism~~]]. They themselves were not heretics and did so for the benefit of the Jewish people".<ref>Rashi Avoda Zara 10a but brought in Dikdukei Sofrim Avoda Zara p. 12 footnote 9</ref>	+	'''Simon Ceiphas''' or '''Simon Petter Chamor''' (d.65CE), often confused with [[St Jude]], [[Simon Kalpus]] or [[Simon Cippah]], was one of the Jews just like John & Paul "who purposely infected their culture in order to sway the Notzri faith away from Qehal Judaism into [[Messianic Noahide Judaism]]. They themselves were not heretics and did so for the benefit of the Jewish people".<ref>Rashi Avoda Zara 10a but brought in Dikdukei Sofrim Avoda Zara p. 12 footnote 9</ref>

	Rabbi Shimon Halevi Ish Horowitz in his comments on the [[Machzor Vitry]] (ויטרי לרבינו שמחה, יוצא לאור ע"י ר' שמעון הלוי איש הורוויץ, סי' שכ"ה, הערה ה, עמ'362, הוצאת "א" מכון להוצאת ספרים, ירושלים, תשכ"ז.) wrote that Rabbeinu Tam said Simon Ceiphas never believed in Notzrut but did everything he did (against Ben Stada) for Heaven's sake.		Rabbi Shimon Halevi Ish Horowitz in his comments on the [[Machzor Vitry]] (ויטרי לרבינו שמחה, יוצא לאור ע"י ר' שמעון הלוי איש הורוויץ, סי' שכ"ה, הערה ה, עמ'362, הוצאת "א" מכון להוצאת ספרים, ירושלים, תשכ"ז.) wrote that Rabbeinu Tam said Simon Ceiphas never believed in Notzrut but did everything he did (against Ben Stada) for Heaven's sake.

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 The word פטר is also related to another term in halacha: Patur (פטור) which means "exempt" of liability to punishment though an action is forbidden.
-Simon's mission to the [[Hellenes|Hillonim]] was later headed by Gamaliel's Benjaminite student Saul of Tarsus the Pharisee of the Manumitted Edomean-Ishmaelite Synagogue and whose efforts in Simon's direction were organized into the New Testament by Peter's Shaliakh [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] with whom Peter is often confused. The Marcionites were the failed result of Paul's mission among the Mandaeans.
+Simon's mission to the [[Hellenes|Hillonim]] was later headed by Gamaliel's Benjaminite student Saul of Tarsus the Pharisee of the Manumitted Edomean-Ishmaelite Synagogue and whose efforts in Simon's direction were organized into [[the 29 Evangelion texts]] by Peter's Shaliakh [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] with whom Peter is often confused. The Marcionites were the failed result of Paul's mission among the Mandaeans.
 Simon held the chair of Av Beit Din in Antioch which was established there under Antioch's Governor Theophilius on February 22nd 35/36CE where disciples were first called Christians, and remained there until the year 42.
-Historical details of his fight against a heresiarch are confirmed by corroborations that can be found between the Teliya and the Acts of Peter.
+Historical details of his fight against the Notzrut heresiarch are confirmed by corroborations that can be found between the Teliya and the Acts of Peter.
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 :"ויש שאומרים על אותו [[נבל שמעון]] פטר חמור שהיא טעות של רומה יסדו אותה תפילה [נשמת]. ושאר תפילות כשהיה על הסלע. וחס ושלום שלא תהיה זאת בישראל. וכל האומר דבר זה, כשיבנה בית המקדש יביא חטאת שמנה".
-"And some say about that [Prayer], Nabal is Simon Peter Hamor -which is a mistake of Rome- who established that prayer [Neshmat] and other prayers when he was on the rock. But Chas Veshalom that such will not be (said) in Israel. And whoever says this, when the Temple is built, he will bring a fat offering."
+"And some say about that [Prayer], Simon Peter Hamor is Nabal -which is a mistake of Rome- who established that prayer [Neshmat] and other prayers when he was on the rock. But Chas Veshalom that such will not be (said) in Israel. And whoever says this, when the Temple is built, he will bring a fat offering."
 "[[Petter Chamor]]" is actually an office which has been held by several people called Simon since '''Simon Kefa'''. It is therefore sometimes difficult to identify when the term Petter Chamor refers to '''Simon Peter''' or to [[Simon Cippah]] or [[Simon Kalpus]] or [[Shimon Ben Kipa]].