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 The '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a [[Messianic Noahide]] Kanesa, Kibbutz, Forum or Centre for [[Messianic Hebrew]] cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. Although it means [[House's Lost]] in reference to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, it does NOT mean "House of Heretics" as the Tannaic Sage Mar Bar Yosef was one of them. For several centuries, the Constantinian Church constantly tried to rule and influence them. The best surviving examples in modern times are Pharisee-friendly Anabaptist communities.
-Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah-Paulus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] (who assembled the Evangelion) and [[Simon Haver]] (who established the Bei Abedan). [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.
+Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah Hadarion]], [[Polus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] (who assembled the Evangelion) and [[Simon Haver]] (who established the Bei Abedan). [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.
 The apikorus and gentile versions of the Toledot Yeshu turn Abedan (אבידן) into Abaddon (אבדון) by way of mockery.

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−	A '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a [[Messianic Noahide]] Kanesa, Kibbutz, Forum or Centre for [[Messianic Hebrew]] cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. It does NOT mean "House of Heretics" as the Tannaic Sage Mar Bar Yosef was one of them. For several centuries, the Constantinian Church constantly tried to rule and influence them. The best surviving examples in modern times are Pharisee-friendly Anabaptist communities.	+	=House's Lost=
		+	The '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a [[Messianic Noahide]] Kanesa, Kibbutz, Forum or Centre for [[Messianic Hebrew]] cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. Although it means [[House's Lost]] in reference to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, it does NOT mean "House of Heretics" as the Tannaic Sage Mar Bar Yosef was one of them. For several centuries, the Constantinian Church constantly tried to rule and influence them. The best surviving examples in modern times are Pharisee-friendly Anabaptist communities.

	Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah-Paulus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] (who assembled the Evangelion) and [[Simon Haver]] (who established the Bei Abedan). [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.		Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah-Paulus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] (who assembled the Evangelion) and [[Simon Haver]] (who established the Bei Abedan). [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.

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−	A '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a [[Messianic Noahide]] Kanesa, Kibbutz, Forum or Centre for [[Messianic Hebrew]] cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. For several centuries, the Constantinian Church constantly tried to rule and influence them. The best surviving examples in modern times are Pharisee-friendly Anabaptist communities.	+	A '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a [[Messianic Noahide]] Kanesa, Kibbutz, Forum or Centre for [[Messianic Hebrew]] cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. It does NOT mean "House of Heretics" as the Tannaic Sage Mar Bar Yosef was one of them. For several centuries, the Constantinian Church constantly tried to rule and influence them. The best surviving examples in modern times are Pharisee-friendly Anabaptist communities.

	Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah-Paulus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] (who assembled the Evangelion) and [[Simon Haver]] (who established the Bei Abedan). [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.		Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah-Paulus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] (who assembled the Evangelion) and [[Simon Haver]] (who established the Bei Abedan). [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.

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-A '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a [[Messianic Noahide]] Kanesa, Kibbutz, Forum or Centre for [[Messianic Hebrew]] cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. The Constantinian Church has constantly tried to rule and influence them. The best surviving examples in modern times are Pharisee-friendly Anabaptist communities.
+A '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a [[Messianic Noahide]] Kanesa, Kibbutz, Forum or Centre for [[Messianic Hebrew]] cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. For several centuries, the Constantinian Church constantly tried to rule and influence them. The best surviving examples in modern times are Pharisee-friendly Anabaptist communities.
 Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah-Paulus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] (who assembled the Evangelion) and [[Simon Haver]] (who established the Bei Abedan). [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.
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 The 1971 Encyclopedia of Judaism had the following entry:
 '''BEI AVIDAN''', a meeting place in talmudic times where scholars of various nations and faiths met for religious discussions and disputations. Enjoying the protection of the authorities, the institution was enjoyed by some of the Jewish Sages such as Mar Bar Yosef, while others, such as Joshua b. Hananiah (Shab. 152a) and Eleazar b. Perata (Av. Zar. 17b), refrained from doing so, for which they were compelled to apologize to the authorities. Similarly, the Amora Rav did not enter a Bei Avidan, whereas his colleague Samuel did (Shab. 116a). The Bei Avidan is mentioned in this context in contrast to a Bei Niẓrefei (or Bei Naẓrufei), to which neither Rav nor Samuel would enter, and which was apparently an idolatrous house of worship (cf. Er. 80a). R. Abbahu was asked whether it was permitted to save the books of a Bei Avidan from a fire on the Sabbath (Shab. loc. cit.). It apparently contained books of the Bible (see R. Hananel, ad loc.), but since it was not known whether a Jew or a sectarian had copied them, the doubt arose whether or not they could be saved on the Sabbath. Various theories have been advanced to explain the origin of the word. According to S.J.L. Rapoport (Erekh Millin (1852), 3), it derives from the Persian abdan ("a forum"), the meeting place there being called Bei Avidan (i.e., "house of forum"). L. Ginzberg (Festschrift … Schwarz, 1917, 329) suggests that the word derives from the name of a person, possibly the astrologer Abidas-Abidan, who was active in Persia at the beginning of the third century. L. Loew (He-Ḥalutz, 2 (1853), 100ff.) contends that the correct reading is '''Bei-Evyoni''' , i.e., the '''meeting place of the Ebionites''' in the Land of Israel. However, the fact that the word "Bei Avidan" is not found in Palestinian sources and that, furthermore, the statement about Joshua b. Hananiah and Eleazar b. Perata is in Aramaic indicate that the Bei Avidan originated in Babylonia and that the term was adopted by the rabbis to apply to the earlier institution in Ereẓ Israel. More recently, S. Shaked has suggested that the term is derived from a Persian word meaning "temple"; see Sokoloff, DPJA, p. 209b. -BIBLIOGRAPHY: Levy J., Neuhebr Tal, 1 (19242), 9; Jastrow, Dict. 1 (1950), 5; Neusner, Babylonia, 1 (1966), 73ff. (citing further literature). (Yitzhak Dov Gilat)

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−	A '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a [[Messianic Noahide]] Kanesa, Kibbutz, Forum or Centre for Messianic Hebrew cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. The Constantinian Church has constantly tried to rule and influence them. The best surviving examples in modern times are Pharisee-friendly Anabaptist communities.	+	A '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a [[Messianic Noahide]] Kanesa, Kibbutz, Forum or Centre for [[Messianic Hebrew]] cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. The Constantinian Church has constantly tried to rule and influence them. The best surviving examples in modern times are Pharisee-friendly Anabaptist communities.

	Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah-Paulus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] (who assembled the Evangelion) and [[Simon Haver]] (who established the Bei Abedan). [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.		Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah-Paulus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] (who assembled the Evangelion) and [[Simon Haver]] (who established the Bei Abedan). [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.

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−	A '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a [[Messianic Noahide]] Kanesa, Kibbutz, Forum or Centre for Messianic Hebrew cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. The Constantinian Church has constantly tried to rule and influence them. The best surviving examples in modern times are Pharisee-friendly Anabaptist ~~Churches~~.	+	A '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a [[Messianic Noahide]] Kanesa, Kibbutz, Forum or Centre for Messianic Hebrew cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. The Constantinian Church has constantly tried to rule and influence them. The best surviving examples in modern times are Pharisee-friendly Anabaptist communities.

	Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah-Paulus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] (who assembled the Evangelion) and [[Simon Haver]] (who established the Bei Abedan). [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.		Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah-Paulus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] (who assembled the Evangelion) and [[Simon Haver]] (who established the Bei Abedan). [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.

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-A '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a [[Messianic Noahide]] Kanesa (Church) or centre for Messianic Hebrew cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. The Constantinian Church has constantly tried to rule and influence them. The best surviving examples in modern times are Anabaptist Churches.
+A '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a [[Messianic Noahide]] Kanesa, Kibbutz, Forum or Centre for Messianic Hebrew cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. The Constantinian Church has constantly tried to rule and influence them. The best surviving examples in modern times are Pharisee-friendly Anabaptist Churches.
 Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah-Paulus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] (who assembled the Evangelion) and [[Simon Haver]] (who established the Bei Abedan). [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.
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-'''BEI AVIDAN''', a meeting place in talmudic times where scholars of various nations and faiths met for religious discussions and disputations. Enjoying the protection of the authorities, the institution was visited by some of the Jewish sages, while others, such as joshua b. hananiah (Shab. 152a) and Eleazar b. Perata (Av. Zar. 17b), refrained from doing so, for which they were compelled to apologize to the authorities. Similarly, the amora Rav did not enter a Bei Avidan, whereas his colleague Samuel did (Shab. 116a). The Bei Avidan is mentioned in this context in association with a Bei Niẓrefei (or Bei Naẓrufei), to which neither Rav nor Samuel would enter, and which was apparently an idolatrous house of worship (cf. Er. 80a). R. Abbahu was asked whether it was permitted to save the books of a Bei Avidan from a fire on the Sabbath (Shab. loc. cit.). It apparently contained books of the Bible (see R. Hananel, ad loc.), but since it was not known whether a Jew or a sectarian had copied them, the doubt arose whether or not they could be saved on the Sabbath. Various theories have been advanced to explain the origin of the word. According to S.J.L. Rapoport (Erekh Millin (1852), 3), it derives from the Persian abdan ("a forum"), the meeting place there being called Bei Avidan (i.e., "house of"). L. Ginzberg (Festschrift … Schwarz, 1917, 329) suggests that the word derives from the name of a person, possibly the astrologer Abidas-Abidan, who was active in Persia at the beginning of the third century. L. Loew (He-Ḥalutz, 2 (1853), 100ff.) contends that the correct reading is "Bei-Evyoni," i.e., the meeting place of the Ebionites in the Land of Israel. However, the fact that the word "Bei Avidan" is not found in Palestinian sources and that, furthermore, the statement about Joshua b. Hananiah and Eleazar b. Perata is in Aramaic indicate that the Bei Avidan originated in Babylonia and that the term was adopted by the rabbis to apply to the institution in Ereẓ Israel. More recently, S. Shaked has suggested that the term is derived from a Persian word meaning "temple"; see Sokoloff, DPJA, p. 209b. -BIBLIOGRAPHY: Levy J., Neuhebr Tal, 1 (19242), 9; Jastrow, Dict. 1 (1950), 5; Neusner, Babylonia, 1 (1966), 73ff. (citing further literature). (Yitzhak Dov Gilat)
+'''BEI AVIDAN''', a meeting place in talmudic times where scholars of various nations and faiths met for religious discussions and disputations. Enjoying the protection of the authorities, the institution was enjoyed by some of the Jewish Sages such as Mar Bar Yosef, while others, such as Joshua b. Hananiah (Shab. 152a) and Eleazar b. Perata (Av. Zar. 17b), refrained from doing so, for which they were compelled to apologize to the authorities. Similarly, the Amora Rav did not enter a Bei Avidan, whereas his colleague Samuel did (Shab. 116a). The Bei Avidan is mentioned in this context in contrast to a Bei Niẓrefei (or Bei Naẓrufei), to which neither Rav nor Samuel would enter, and which was apparently an idolatrous house of worship (cf. Er. 80a). R. Abbahu was asked whether it was permitted to save the books of a Bei Avidan from a fire on the Sabbath (Shab. loc. cit.). It apparently contained books of the Bible (see R. Hananel, ad loc.), but since it was not known whether a Jew or a sectarian had copied them, the doubt arose whether or not they could be saved on the Sabbath. Various theories have been advanced to explain the origin of the word. According to S.J.L. Rapoport (Erekh Millin (1852), 3), it derives from the Persian abdan ("a forum"), the meeting place there being called Bei Avidan (i.e., "house of forum"). L. Ginzberg (Festschrift … Schwarz, 1917, 329) suggests that the word derives from the name of a person, possibly the astrologer Abidas-Abidan, who was active in Persia at the beginning of the third century. L. Loew (He-Ḥalutz, 2 (1853), 100ff.) contends that the correct reading is '''Bei-Evyoni''' , i.e., the '''meeting place of the Ebionites''' in the Land of Israel. However, the fact that the word "Bei Avidan" is not found in Palestinian sources and that, furthermore, the statement about Joshua b. Hananiah and Eleazar b. Perata is in Aramaic indicate that the Bei Avidan originated in Babylonia and that the term was adopted by the rabbis to apply to the earlier institution in Ereẓ Israel. More recently, S. Shaked has suggested that the term is derived from a Persian word meaning "temple"; see Sokoloff, DPJA, p. 209b. -BIBLIOGRAPHY: Levy J., Neuhebr Tal, 1 (19242), 9; Jastrow, Dict. 1 (1950), 5; Neusner, Babylonia, 1 (1966), 73ff. (citing further literature). (Yitzhak Dov Gilat)
 Encyclopedia Judaica. 1971.

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−	A '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a Messianic Noahide Kanesa or centre for ~~Hebraic~~ cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. ~~It was taken over by the~~ Constantinian Church.	+	A '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a [[Messianic Noahide]] Kanesa (Church) or centre for Messianic Hebrew cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. The Constantinian Church has constantly tried to rule and influence them. The best surviving examples in modern times are Anabaptist Churches.

	Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah-Paulus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] (who assembled the Evangelion) and [[Simon Haver]] (who established the Bei Abedan). [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.		Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah-Paulus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] (who assembled the Evangelion) and [[Simon Haver]] (who established the Bei Abedan). [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.

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−	A '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '' 'Bei Avidan''' refers to a Messianic Noahide Kanesa or centre for Hebraic cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. It was taken over by the Constantinian Church.	+	A '''Bei Abedan''' or '''Bei Abidan''' (בי אבידן) and less frequently '''Bei Avidan''' refers to a Messianic Noahide Kanesa or centre for Hebraic cultural life where certain Scribes and Pharisees help Messianic students of the Evangelion. It was taken over by the Constantinian Church.

	Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah-Paulus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] who assembled the Evangelion and [[Simon Haver]] who established the Bei Abedan. [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.		Members of the Bei Abedan included the Evangelion's authors [[Petrus]], [[St Jude]], [[Elijah-Paulus]], [[Yochanan]] and [[Matityahu]] as well as [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] who assembled the Evangelion and [[Simon Haver]] who established the Bei Abedan. [[Mar Bar Yosef]] was also one of them until the Bei Abedan was taken over by the Constantinian Church and tried to kill him.