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'''Gnostic Noahites''' in the Roman Province of Tachkastan followed the Essene Jews from whom the Manicheans had seceded from them under the influence of Marcionism and Mandaeism.  
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[[Image:Mithraic Noahite.png|right]]
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'''Noahite Mithraism''' appears to have been a thing a few different times throughout history. [[Cyrus the Great]] was a Mithraic Noahite. The Magi who honoured
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the birth of Jesus as an Herodian Prince appear to have been Mithraists. They also seem to have had a significant influence in the area of the Greater Persian Empire between 651 and 692 AD, and the Paulicians also appear to have been of the same Magian/Gnostic/Hanif persuasion.  
  
Gentile Gnosticism ([[Christian Gnosticism]]) like that of the Marcionites,, Mandaeans, and Manicheans presents a complex problem. A certain amount of Jewish Kabbalah found its way into 2nd century Christianity which completed what it didn't know in the most anti-Semitic ways because they lacked understanding concerning the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and dumbed it down into the Tree of Gnosis. Everything else followed on from that one simple mistake.
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In the Roman Province of Tachkastan they followed some sort of Essene Idumeans from whom the Manicheans had seceded from under the influence of Marcionism and Mandaeism. William St. Clair Tisdall prove that they preserved many Gnostic folktales about Jesus Christ such as for example:
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:The "History of the Nativity of Mary and the Saviour's Infancy"
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:"The Nativity of Mary"
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:"The Protevangelium of James the less"
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:The Arabic "Gospel of the Infancy
  
[[The Origins of Islam (Arabized Sassanian Noahism)|The 7th century Arabian attempt to make Noahites out of Gentile Gnostics backfired]]. Gentile Gnostics identified the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as the Demiurge (the Gnostic Devil) so many Gentile Gnostics who wanted to join the Judeo-Baptist Gnostics as Noahites simply decided that they should worship the Gentile-Gnostic Devil!
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=The Gentile Gnostic Question=
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Gentile Gnosticism ([[Christian Gnosticism]]) like that of the Marcionites, Valentinians, Mandaeans, and Manicheans presents a complex problem. A certain amount of Jewish Kabbalah found its way into 2nd century Christianity which completed what it didn't know in the most anti-Semitic ways because they lacked understanding concerning the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and dumbed it down into the Tree of Gnosis. Everything else followed on from that one simple mistake.
  
Learning from that mistake, we realize that in order purify Gentile Gnosticism from its mistakes into a form of Noahite Gnosticism it must first be redacted and baptized in Jewish Gnosis.
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Gentile Gnostics identified the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as the Demiurge (the Gnostic Devil) and many Gentile Gnostics looked upon joining the Noahites as a decision to worship the Gentile-Gnostic Devil.
  
To that end it is therefore necessary to reject some of the Gentile Gnostic ideas and clarify that the Gentile-Gnostic Devil (the Demiurge) described in Gentile-Gnosticism as a serpent with the head of a lion must be identified with the fallen angel Samael, the serpent in the Garden of Eden who rules Assiah (the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil) and who traps the divine sparks of Adam and Eve within his sphere of influence by polluting them in order to bring life to his creations.  
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To avoid that mistake, in order purify Gentile Gnosticism from its mistakes into a form of Noahite Gnosticism it must first be redacted and baptized in Jewish Gnosis.
  
The High God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob must exile mankind from Yetzirah to Assiah but clothes them in skins out of pity.
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To that end it is therefore necessary to reject some of the Gentile Gnostic ideas and clarify that the Gentile-Gnostic Devil (the Demiurge) described in Gentile-Gnosticism as a serpent with the head of a lion must be identified with the fallen angel Samael, the serpent in the Garden of Eden who rules Assiah (the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil) and who traps the divine sparks of Adam and Eve within his sphere of influence by polluting them in order to bring life to his creations. Hence the High God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob had to exile mankind from Yetzirah to Assiah but clothed them in skins out of pity.
  
Noahite Gnostics did not consider themselves Arabs (9:97) but spoke an Arabic dialect influenced by Imperial Aramaic which they called Intelligible Arabic (16:103) to distinguish it from the common Quraysh language spoken by Muslim Arabs (49:14).  
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=Gnostic Noahites=
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Unlike Gentile Gnostics the Gnostic Noahites equated the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob with the Gnostic God the Father on High rather than with the Demiurge who they like all Noahites equated with Satan.  
  
They were commonly Gnostic Zera-Israel who rejected any Nasrani and Judean claims to Abraham.  
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Gnostic Noahites did not consider themselves Arabs (9:97) but spoke an Arabic dialect influenced by Imperial Aramaic which they called Intelligible Arabic (16:103) to distinguish it from the common Quraysh language spoken by Muslim Arabs (49:14).  
  
They called themselves Aeonists (2:252); they called their followers Beievers (2:62); and recognized their common ground (5:82) with Ebionite-like Jewish Messianists (Notsari); and also welcomed Halakhic Jews as Those who Guide (Alazeena Haadu); and Noahites as Judeo-Baptists (Sabi); but called Minim Judases (5:64).  
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Gnostic Noahites welcomed Zera-Israel (Bani Israel) who rejected any Nasrani and Judean claims to Abraham.  
  
Unlike Gentile Gnostics but in common with the Noahite Judeo-Baptists, they equated the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob with the Gnostic God the Father on High rather than with the Demiurge who they and the Judeo-Baptists equated with Satan.  
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Gnostic Noahites called themselves "Mursalin" meaning "Aeonists" (2:252); they called their followers Believers (2:62); and recognized their common ground with [[Alazeena Haadu]]; and with other Noahites (Sabi); and especially (5:82) with Ebionite-like Jewish Messianists (Notsari); but referred to Minim as Judases (5:64). They allowed their followers to marry women from [[the Bible Community]].
  
They themselves rejected Messiah-Sonship and Uthra-sonship but believed instead only in aeon-sonship seeing Rebbe Yehoshuah Minzaret (whom they called Ieso) as actually a threefold (4:171) Aeon (Rasul) called Mitra (Mitatrun) who only looked like a human but was not really a human being at all. They believed that the same Aeon (Mitatrun) had visited the planet many times before such as for example as [[Abraham's Visitors]]. This Aeon (Mitatrun) whom they called Ahmed (Mahamadim) or the Bridegroom united ''within'' itself, Mahmad the Suffering Temple Word alongside Ieso the Guiding Spiritual Light. Ieso gave up Ahmed to his Talmidim as the Shirayim of Seudah shlishit Hitveadut for Melaveh Malka (Al-Maeda). So Ahmed (Rasulallah) was not crucified while Ieso and his shadow (as per John of Damascus) or appearance (as per 4:157) i.e. Mahmad (as per 3:144) were crucified instead.
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They themselves rejected Messiah-Sonship and Ezrakh-sonship but believed instead only in aeon-sonship seeing Rebbe Yehoshuah Minzaret (whom they called Ieso) as actually a threefold (4:171) Aeon (Rasul) called Mitra (Mitatrun) who only looked like a son of man but was not really a human being at all. They believed that the same Aeon (Mitatrun) had visited the planet many times before such as for example as [[Abraham's Visitors]]. This Aeon (Mitatrun) whom they called Ahmed (Mahamadim) or the Bridegroom united ''within'' itself, Mahmad the Suffering Temple Word alongside Ieso the Guiding Spiritual Light. Ieso gave up Ahmed to his Talmidim as the Shirayim of Seudah shlishit Hitveadut for Melaveh Malka (Al-Maeda). So Ahmed (Rasulallah) was not crucified while Ieso and his shadow (as per John of Damascus) or appearance (as per 4:157) i.e. Mahmad (as per 3:144) were crucified instead.
  
=610=
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The critics of the Noahite Gnostics used to accuse them of Sabellian-Modalism to which the Noahite Gnostics responded that it is truly an act of disbelief to say that The Divine Father is the Messianic Aeon, asking who could it be that would have something over the Divine Father by willing that the Messianic Aeon should die? (5:17)
After defeating the Romans in 610, the [[Ercolian Karaites]] who had settled in [https://goo.gl/maps/dMAJG1ohZ7baeW3z8 Mamuca] did not allow the Noahite Gnostics access to [[Al-Masjid Al-Haram]] in Jerusalem.
 
  
A [[Quraysh]] called Father Kozim ibn Ishmael converted from Nasrani to Gnostic Hagarim and began his studies under Gabriel in the monastic Cells of Hira. He was soon promoted to Mahmud status. But the Gnostic Noahites will not all be happy with what he does with their Gnosis.
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The critics of the Noahite Gnostics also used to accuse them of Tritheism, to which they responded that there is no god beside One God the Divine Father, the Almighty but that God's Aeon should be obeyed.
  
=620s=
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The Noahite Gnostics also tried hard to fight against the doctrine of Adoptionism.
'''Gabriel of the Noahite Gnostics''' came from Heraclius announcing the decree from on high to unite in religion. They were supported by various Pahlavi families. The [[Ercolian Karaites]] thought they could use this to their advantage and went from Edessa to Tachkastan where their Ma'amad, Mehmet, Muhmad, Mahmud established an alliance with the Noahite Gnostics in 622.
 
  
=636=
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The Gnostic Noahites felt very hurt that the reasoning behind these doctrines were turned inside out by the Caliphs and not very wowed by Uthman's Quran which did not do justice to Gnostic Noahite beliefs. Hence many became Maronites while others became Pavlikeni.
The Noahite Gnostics made an alliance with [[Al-Lahazim]] in 636 through Shahrbonu and converted Uthman of the [[Ercolian Karaites]] to their religion.  
 
  
=644=
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=634=
Uthman came to power and promoted the Quran in Intelligible Arabic much to the annoyance of his family and other [[Ercolian Karaites]].
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Thomas the Presbyter said that followers of MHMT attacked Romans near Gaza at this time. We assume this was part of the on-going Byzantine-Persian wars over the Holy Land.
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=651=
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The first Mithraic "bismillah" coins appear.
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=650s=
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The earliest Quranic Materials begin to appear. Analysis of the Quranic materials indicate that they were all written by one person. The religious view of that person can be identified from the materials alone without reference to the interpretations provided by Islam which later adopted those materials. The views include:
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#Believe in a supreme being and its emanation to whom obedience is advised.
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#belief that Jesus the son of Mary is the supreme being's emanation and word and spirit.
  
 
=656=
 
=656=
Uthman appointed Ali as his successor. The [[Ercolian Karaites]] went to war against the Noahite Gnostics & Al-Lahazim but the Noahite Gnostics & Al-Lahazim won.
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Uthman appointed Ali as his successor. The [[Ercolian Karaites]] went to war against the Noahite Gnostics & Al-Lahazim but the Noahite Gnostics & Al-Lahazim won. However, Muawiya converted to Byzantine Christianity rather than accept Paulician rule.
  
 
=660=
 
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=680=
 
=680=
The [[Ercolian Karaites]] did not keep their promise and killed the Noahite Gnostics & Al-Lahazim Candidate. Hence the Al-Lahazim established ibn Al-Zubayir as their ruler while the Noahite Gnostics fled first to Armenia then Thrace.
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The [[Ercolian Karaites]] did not keep their promise and killed the Noahite Gnostics & Al-Lahazim Candidate. Hence the Al-Lahazim established ibn Al-Zubayir as their ruler.
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The Noahite Gnostics fled first to Armenia then Thrace.
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The 6th Ecumenical Council appointed John Maron to lead them.
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The Noahite Gnostics still survive today as Maronites and the Tzigane of Biharia.
  
The Noahite Gnostics still survive today as the Tzigane of Biharia.
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=692=
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Abdu Malik adopts the Mithraic Noahite style on his coins but then changes to Islam later in the year. This is the last trace we have of Mithraic Noahites.

Revision as of 19:26, 27 November 2020

Mithraic Noahite.png

Noahite Mithraism appears to have been a thing a few different times throughout history. Cyrus the Great was a Mithraic Noahite. The Magi who honoured the birth of Jesus as an Herodian Prince appear to have been Mithraists. They also seem to have had a significant influence in the area of the Greater Persian Empire between 651 and 692 AD, and the Paulicians also appear to have been of the same Magian/Gnostic/Hanif persuasion.

In the Roman Province of Tachkastan they followed some sort of Essene Idumeans from whom the Manicheans had seceded from under the influence of Marcionism and Mandaeism. William St. Clair Tisdall prove that they preserved many Gnostic folktales about Jesus Christ such as for example:

The "History of the Nativity of Mary and the Saviour's Infancy"
"The Nativity of Mary"
"The Protevangelium of James the less"
The Arabic "Gospel of the Infancy

The Gentile Gnostic Question

Gentile Gnosticism (Christian Gnosticism) like that of the Marcionites, Valentinians, Mandaeans, and Manicheans presents a complex problem. A certain amount of Jewish Kabbalah found its way into 2nd century Christianity which completed what it didn't know in the most anti-Semitic ways because they lacked understanding concerning the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and dumbed it down into the Tree of Gnosis. Everything else followed on from that one simple mistake.

Gentile Gnostics identified the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as the Demiurge (the Gnostic Devil) and many Gentile Gnostics looked upon joining the Noahites as a decision to worship the Gentile-Gnostic Devil.

To avoid that mistake, in order purify Gentile Gnosticism from its mistakes into a form of Noahite Gnosticism it must first be redacted and baptized in Jewish Gnosis.

To that end it is therefore necessary to reject some of the Gentile Gnostic ideas and clarify that the Gentile-Gnostic Devil (the Demiurge) described in Gentile-Gnosticism as a serpent with the head of a lion must be identified with the fallen angel Samael, the serpent in the Garden of Eden who rules Assiah (the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil) and who traps the divine sparks of Adam and Eve within his sphere of influence by polluting them in order to bring life to his creations. Hence the High God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob had to exile mankind from Yetzirah to Assiah but clothed them in skins out of pity.

Gnostic Noahites

Unlike Gentile Gnostics the Gnostic Noahites equated the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob with the Gnostic God the Father on High rather than with the Demiurge who they like all Noahites equated with Satan.

Gnostic Noahites did not consider themselves Arabs (9:97) but spoke an Arabic dialect influenced by Imperial Aramaic which they called Intelligible Arabic (16:103) to distinguish it from the common Quraysh language spoken by Muslim Arabs (49:14).

Gnostic Noahites welcomed Zera-Israel (Bani Israel) who rejected any Nasrani and Judean claims to Abraham.

Gnostic Noahites called themselves "Mursalin" meaning "Aeonists" (2:252); they called their followers Believers (2:62); and recognized their common ground with Alazeena Haadu; and with other Noahites (Sabi); and especially (5:82) with Ebionite-like Jewish Messianists (Notsari); but referred to Minim as Judases (5:64). They allowed their followers to marry women from the Bible Community.

They themselves rejected Messiah-Sonship and Ezrakh-sonship but believed instead only in aeon-sonship seeing Rebbe Yehoshuah Minzaret (whom they called Ieso) as actually a threefold (4:171) Aeon (Rasul) called Mitra (Mitatrun) who only looked like a son of man but was not really a human being at all. They believed that the same Aeon (Mitatrun) had visited the planet many times before such as for example as Abraham's Visitors. This Aeon (Mitatrun) whom they called Ahmed (Mahamadim) or the Bridegroom united within itself, Mahmad the Suffering Temple Word alongside Ieso the Guiding Spiritual Light. Ieso gave up Ahmed to his Talmidim as the Shirayim of Seudah shlishit Hitveadut for Melaveh Malka (Al-Maeda). So Ahmed (Rasulallah) was not crucified while Ieso and his shadow (as per John of Damascus) or appearance (as per 4:157) i.e. Mahmad (as per 3:144) were crucified instead.

The critics of the Noahite Gnostics used to accuse them of Sabellian-Modalism to which the Noahite Gnostics responded that it is truly an act of disbelief to say that The Divine Father is the Messianic Aeon, asking who could it be that would have something over the Divine Father by willing that the Messianic Aeon should die? (5:17)

The critics of the Noahite Gnostics also used to accuse them of Tritheism, to which they responded that there is no god beside One God the Divine Father, the Almighty but that God's Aeon should be obeyed.

The Noahite Gnostics also tried hard to fight against the doctrine of Adoptionism.

The Gnostic Noahites felt very hurt that the reasoning behind these doctrines were turned inside out by the Caliphs and not very wowed by Uthman's Quran which did not do justice to Gnostic Noahite beliefs. Hence many became Maronites while others became Pavlikeni.

634

Thomas the Presbyter said that followers of MHMT attacked Romans near Gaza at this time. We assume this was part of the on-going Byzantine-Persian wars over the Holy Land.

651

The first Mithraic "bismillah" coins appear.

650s

The earliest Quranic Materials begin to appear. Analysis of the Quranic materials indicate that they were all written by one person. The religious view of that person can be identified from the materials alone without reference to the interpretations provided by Islam which later adopted those materials. The views include:

  1. Believe in a supreme being and its emanation to whom obedience is advised.
  2. belief that Jesus the son of Mary is the supreme being's emanation and word and spirit.

656

Uthman appointed Ali as his successor. The Ercolian Karaites went to war against the Noahite Gnostics & Al-Lahazim but the Noahite Gnostics & Al-Lahazim won. However, Muawiya converted to Byzantine Christianity rather than accept Paulician rule.

660

The Noahite Gnostics ruled until 660 when they were overthrown by the Ercolian Karaites again. The terms of the peace treaty promised that the Noahite Gnostics & Al-Lahazim Candidate (Hussein) would rule following Muawiya.

680

The Ercolian Karaites did not keep their promise and killed the Noahite Gnostics & Al-Lahazim Candidate. Hence the Al-Lahazim established ibn Al-Zubayir as their ruler.

The Noahite Gnostics fled first to Armenia then Thrace.

The 6th Ecumenical Council appointed John Maron to lead them.

The Noahite Gnostics still survive today as Maronites and the Tzigane of Biharia.

692

Abdu Malik adopts the Mithraic Noahite style on his coins but then changes to Islam later in the year. This is the last trace we have of Mithraic Noahites.